25 comments on “The Pig Farmer that ‘Killed 49 Women and Fed Them to his Friends’.

  1. After looking at the Pickton case, undoubtedly there was involvement in the killings. However, the ‘shadow of doubt’ remains, did he act on his own or were there others involved that have remains.

    The difficulty with the case is a lack of concrete and binding evidence that places one or more individual at the scene of the crime. For that it is a shame. The law is ‘the law’. We can’t act and convict on our own intuition until it is too late.

    With a grade 3 education, his dad died in ’77 (if I’m not mistaken) and mum died of cancer later on, was he just a very lost, lonely and misguided soul? Did Mr. Pickton become misguided along the way or was he just naturally born a psychopathic serial killer?

    The deeper and more intriguing question is the ability to kill. Is the characteristic inherent in our nature, our very being or is it a just a product of environmental conditioning?

    It is not a secret that the many visitors and friends that visited the farm were ex-cons, prostitutes and substance abusers. These were individuals that society has a tendency to disregard and place on the lower echelons of the societal ladder.

    Society as a whole has a tendency to discount value and dependency of truthful accounts of the the world that they convey to others. This is even less so when something is being reported to authorities that might be of a serious nature.

    When Mr. Pickton found comfort and company in these friends, he saw the same misery he felt within also in the company of others. In his own warped logic, perhaps. Just perhaps, he saw death as the new beginning that would allow others to find the happiness and innocence that was lost. Was he some sort of ‘dark angel’ for these prostitutes?

    It is compelling to ask the question, why did he kill most but not the very few that lived to tell the tale?

  2. First, I want to thank you for your thoughts and input, Ant. Your view is valued and appreciated.

    I hear what you are saying about the ‘shadow of a doubt’, but when we take in the entire picture, can we honestly say we have doubts? The law says that we are ‘innocent until proven guilty’, but to what extreme do we need to go to in order to prove guilt?

    When we look at the facts, we are inclined to lean toward guilt, yet our laws prevent us from moving swiftly toward conviction because we do have a ‘lack of concrete evidence’. Thus we have our lesser sentences of second-degree murder .. leaving what most believe a serial killer loose on our streets in just a few years’ time.

    Where will our justice system be when victim #50 turns up in a pound of sausage? Will there be justice for the soul who has lost her way in this society, then found her way into the clutches of Mr. Robert Pickton?

    The question of whether Pickton is a victim of his upbringing or was born a psychopathic murderer is one we will likely never, in our lifetime, discover the answer to. We are inclined to simply blame his parents, or society, because the question of genetics is far too complex for us to answer.

    As mammals, we have a banal instinct to defend ourselves and our loved-ones. We are all, at some deep level, capable of killing, but never will – for the majority. We are at a level of ‘civilisation’ that has a sense of morality and a learned ability to settle conflicts in a non-violent manner. This is not to say that all of us do adjudicate in a peaceable manner. Again, do we blame society, upbringing, or genetics?

    For those unfortunate souls who have been / are considered to be on the lower tiers of society, it is sad to think that they can be / are disregarded as ‘unreliable’, and their account of anything is dismissed as hearsay. Such is the case too many times when it really and truly matters. No one should be ‘discounted’, regardless of background – not when everyone is entitled to have a voice. (That is a whole new discussion, for another day.) People are people, despite wealth, profession, or education.

    Which brings me to your comment, “Was he some sort of ‘dark angel’ for these prostitutes?” Perhaps you are right, and Pickton did believe that in some warped way, he was releasing these women from a life of misery. We cannot say what he honestly believed, only what we know to be morally correct. We then come to the fact that he did allow some of the others live to tell the tale; did he believe that they were somehow beyond redemption? Or did he have his moments of what we can term, ‘sanity’?

  3. I for one do not care if this man killed 6, 20, 30 or more. The fact is he killed these woman and should not get a slap on the wrist for doing so. To let this man possibly go free after ten years is despicable in my book. I get so tired of hearing that it is a person’s upbringing that is the cause. The fact of the matter is we all have free will and freedom of choice. We all have the same opportunity to chose good or to chose evil. Not everyone who has a miserable upbringing becomes a sociopath or a psychopath. He killed, period! Not one, but more. Should he be allowed to enter back into society because they say the murders were not pre-meditated? If this man is mentally unstable, which I have to think he is, for what he did, he should live out his days in an institution for the criminally insane.

    • Thank you for your input, Eva. As always, I appreciate your opinions.

      I personally agree that this man should be locked away for the rest of his natural life. He is obviously not going to fit into mainstream society with the psychopathic way of thinking and behaving. Where we went wrong during jury deliberation is ignoring Pickton’s comment about his 50th victim and the fact he even said such a thing. Here we are with the equivalent of a confession.This alone, in my opinion, was enough to realise that six first-degree murder charges was fitting .. just what the Crown originally wanted.

      With disorders such as ‘post traumatic stress disorder’, we can blame some behaviours on our environment, but Pickton admits to having ‘bizarre’ thoughts as a child. Again, even with, PTSD the greater majority do not commit murder, let alone dispose the bodies in such a despicable manner.

      Society often blames upbringing or society for the shortcomings of others, yet we do have the option of making the right choice … the criminally insane, however is another question. Do they really have the capability of making the same ‘correct’ choice as we do?

      Which raises yet another question .. what about those who have disorders, such as Autism? Most of them cannot make the morally correct choices, therefore we must be more responsible as a society to make those right choices for them – as much for themselves as everyone they connect with.

  4. I haven’t gotten into the details of this, but he needs to be locked away for life. Here in the US, they did a Criminal Minds show with a this kind of theme.

    There is a man in my state who has been ruled incompetent by a judge. He’s married and is a serial burglar. He keeps breaking in (this last time, the home owner shot but didn’t kill him) to places and at some point, he’s going to stay down. You’d think they would lock him up if nothing but for his own protection…….

    • After living a life of crime, how can your conscience allow you to pretend that you can lead a ‘normal’ life like everyone else?
      Sounds like that burglar is going to pay the ultimate price sooner or later. Live life on the straight and narrow, and you will never go wrong!
      Thank you for your comment, TikkTok. It is appreciated very much!
      Amma

      • I think that’s the point, Amma- he supposedly has the IQ of a 3rd grader (even though he’s married); as far as I know, he’s driving, too, and he’s a repeat offender. He has no conscience, because he’s mentally incapable. I do think at some point, he’s going to get killed in a home invasion. Those judges aren’t doing him any favors, imo….

        In response to your other question about Autism- I think we need to make a point to not lump all the autistic disorders into one group- those with Asperger’s, for example, are usually more highly functioning than those with those on the other end of the spectrum. it would be rare, as I understand it, for a severely autistic individual to commit violence out of malice. Often, they are so far into themselves that they don’t make physical contact.

        Those with Asperger’s can usually grow up and be independent; however, those on the other end of the spectrum usually cannot.

        • You know, I have to wonder about the wife also. What would make this woman remain married to this man? What kind of life do they have? Does she not want to lead a peaceful life? I thought that was something most people would strive for, unless they have a hand in the crimes also.
          No, the judges are doing him, or any like him, a grave injustice there.

          The umbrella for Autism is wide. It took ‘professionals’ almost eight years to make a definitive diagnosis with my son. He is Autistic, that was clear, but also has tendencies toward violence as well. I am going to be doing a Post in the near future about just that .. the difficulties with a proper diagnosis and why the disorder may be difficult to define.

          I would love to have your input on this as well, from your own standpoint. There are many misconceptions about Autism. Some people even believe that the parent does not know how to ‘control’ their child, and forget that they do really have a reason for acting the way they do. They are usually the sweetest, kindest children. When there are complications with other things, such as OCD, the child can become very unpredictable.

          • That’s a tough one, Amma, for sure. Does he act out in frustration? I would want to get to the root of what happens to precipitate the behavior- obviously, there is some kind of trigger.

            I have friends with kids who have Asperger’s (along with other stuff in there, too) who have found eliminating gluten and food coloring to be really helpful. Another trigger is MSG. I really do think there is a lot that can be helped with dietary intervention/elimination.

            And for the criminal, no kidding about the marriage end of it. I have to wonder if perhaps the wife is mentally compromised as well. Clearly, he at the very least needs constant supervision.

            Until there is a judge that will actually prosecute him, he is a chronic catch and release- literally. :roll:

            • He can actually identify .. after the fact .. that he was frustrated. I spent years trying to remove elements from his diet, including red dyes, to no avail. The original diagnosis was ADHD. The old fall-back. The Ritalin made him more hyper and aggressive – after all, it is a stimulant. We are working diligently with him to help him identify his own triggers, but that is like teaching an infant to drive a car. My only hope for him is to have a happy and productive future – and to know that no matter what, he is loved without condition.

            • It sounds like you are doing everything you can! :) I hope you have good support there. Some communities have more resources than others………..

    • Thank you for your kind words. Yes, it is disturbing to think that something so heinous can transpire right beneath people’s noses, and go unreported for so long. You would think that someone would have reported suspicious behaviour at some point.
      Maybe this is a lesson learned: Never ignore the obvious – it may cost lives.

      Cheers,
      Amma

      • You sent me off on a google search. I had looked for information soon after he was caught, but there was very little. Getting caught up now, though not sure if that is a good idea – likely the most disturbing one yet…

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  7. I’m from this area, where it all went down. I wasn’t born at the time but my mother and father worked on a dairy farm not farm from here. My father also worked at the auction near by. I have spoke with my dad numerous times about this man. My dad used to deliever pigs/cattle to his farm all the time. My dad always said he was a little bit off/creepy but never goes into much detail. Now being a freshman in college I have to write a paper and this is who i decided to write on. My father mentioned to me that his farm was put together very poorly. there was things hung weird, a lot of machines were broken, and the ones that were fixed werent fixed properly. he mentioned it smelling very differnt then a normal pig farm; he never elaborates on that but my dad grew up around farms so he isnt going to say it smells bad or like pig crap. My grandfather also worked deliever pigs to his farm and he just said you kept your distance. He was a very grimmy man but once you got talking to him he seemed as sweet as can be. My mother never went there and jsut stayed away from him entirely. She saw him around at the auction but did her best to never been near him alone. I remember her telling me a story that once he offered to babysit my older brother if my dad and I ever wanted to go out or needed a break. That doesn’t state anything that he would harm my brother, however, it is kind of creepy. What I think this man did was extremely wrong, but its interesting having some connection to him in a way. I’m very sorry for what he did to others, and destroying their family i just hope the best for them and that he rots in jail.

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